• glorkon@lemmy.world
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    24 hours ago

    What absolute position? I wrote a whole paragraph after the bit that you quote exactly on why it is not an absolute position.

    Okay, I admit I didn’t pay enough attention to what you wrote. Probably because I don’t like being lectured about history.

    But in that case, even better! They tried working on a two-state solution. It was shot down, but you gotta try again. And again. And again.

    Everything Israel and the Palestinians are doing at the moment is the exact opposite. They create more violence, hatred, death, destruction and desire for vengeance, which in turn will be the fuel for more decades of war.

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      24 hours ago

      Stop both sides-ing for goodness sake! There are no two equal sides here. There are the perpetrators and the victims of a genocide, of apartheid, and of occupation.

      Not to mention that you are literally factually wrong. Hamas controls Gaza but the PA controls the West Bank. There is nothing the PA does that “creates violence, hatred, destruction and desire for vengeance” among Israelis. So to be extremely clear YOUR FRAMING IS FACTUALLY WRONG. The PA has recognized Israel, supports the two state solution. The PA is so actively trying to supress radicals that if you look around this thread you will see people accusing it of being collaborationists. And what do they get in response? Colonization, occupation, apartheid, and pogroms. If Israel achieves its war goals and eliminates Hamas from Gaza, the result will be that that insufferable misery also extended there. The Palestinians are literally given a choice of genocide or apartheid, of a quick fiery death or a slow bleeding death. This is Israel’s policy and it isn’t just Bibi, it is the Israeli state policy of the last 30 fucking years.

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        45 minutes ago

        Interesting thread, although your definition of ‘Justice’ being one where ‘each side gets what they can live with’ isn’t quite in line with how it’s defined. Many dictionaries word it slightly differently, but it all boils down to legality and morality, both of which have no absolute basis.

        I.e. any side can cite any law or moral reference to support their view(s) and establish a casus belli. That only their described outcome is ‘just’. Justice =! compromise or reparation. It’s merely an interpretation.

        In our current frame of reference, what Bibi and the Israeli forces are doing is reprehensible. However, the cessation and ‘deradicalization’ of such actors followed by the delivery of some form of ‘justice’ to all concerned doesn’t deliver a blank slate and an enduring solution, simply because the interpretation and basis of justice is so vastly different for each involved state in the whole region.