I keep hearing the term in political discourse, and rather than googling it, I’m asking the people who know better than Google.
I keep hearing the term in political discourse, and rather than googling it, I’m asking the people who know better than Google.
For the first, it’s saying exactly what I said, that it’s encouraging users that do choose to engage to do so with professionalism.
For the latter, it isn’t a statement of intent, but a description of what is actually going on, a struggle between liberalism and leftism. There are prominent brigaders and drama farmers on .world, sh.itjust.works, piefed.world, etc that engage in ideological propagandizing against leftists, just like there are leftists that do so against right-wingers. This isn’t a command to Hexbear users to go out and disseminate spooky scary leftist ideology, but a description of what already exists.
So no, I’m not lying, you’re either unintentionally misreading the post and my comments, or are deliberately smearing me.
Propaganda wars and professionalism are not mutually exclusive. Nice try.
You don’t get dizzy from so much spinning?
I mean, by that logic, Lemmy World admins never specifically stated that they were defederating because of people holding viewpoints they don’t like. You want to have it both ways so bad it’s disgusting.
Maybe these tactics actually work in Communist spaces? That would explain a lot…
The Lemmy.world admins manufactured the idea of Hexbear users intentionally brigading lemmy.world threads before they even federated, choosing to pre-emptively defederate, and directly cited ideological differences as the reason. Lemmy.world does not care about “idelogical warfare” itself as bad, as there are constant drama farms and prominent users and comms on Lemmy.world that directly state their intent is to push anti-communist views, yet these users are protected, made moderators, etc. Logically, therefore, it’s the views that matter, not the idea of “protecting against brigading.”
If the Lemmy.world admins were honest, they would just outright state that they don’t like communism. Hexbear is honest, and directly states they ban right-wingers. Lemmy.world tries to have their cake and eat it too.
Quote it. Your evidence so far is “they’re lying”.
In addition to the reasoning I’ve already given, their intentional bolding of comments like these:
This was a statement on the stances of Hexbear, not a call to action. The Lemmy.world admins highlighted it to show why ideologically this was unacceptable to them, plain and simple.
Again: I asked for you to quote them saying they were defederating because hexbear users have stances common to communists.
What you gave me was your interpretation of why they bolded some text.
They listed stances common to communists as an example of what to defederate from. Tell me, why would they bold it? As Edie said, you’re just sealioning.
That’s probably true – quite a few things in those quotes
This is the lie.
Why did they bold the line about the left wanting to dismantle the IMF, NATO, etc? It certainly wasn’t because it was telling users to wage ideological war, it was to highlight unacceptable ideology.
Stop sealioning.
End the sealioning already. Surely you have better things to use your time on.
Hexbear admins: "We plan to federate with Lemmy World for the express purpose of dismantling their western propaganda. We intend to continue our war against Liberals in the fediverse while we’re there. But no brigades. We totally promise.
Despite openly acknowledging that our typical behavior is to ‘dunk on dirtbag libs’, and to do hilarious trolling, we will try to engage using informed rhetoric and sources."
Lemmy World admins: “That sounds terrible. No thanks.”
Cowbee: “Lemmy World admins secretly hate Communists. Look at what they bolded!”
Am I missing anything? I can source anything in there you think isn’t true.
Accuses me of sealioning while giving cover to a blatant liar. Good stuff.
This is quoting the anti-imperialist parts, not the part where they tell them not to brigade or other such things, and saying that those mean hexbear has no intention of respecting the rules!
And if they really had a problem with this, then people that did the same on their instance would not be as Cowbee has pointed out:
The problem is the beliefs and ideology (again why are they highlighting the anti-imperialist, i.e. communist, parts?) not the “pushing” part