Hi, I am not exactly sure how best to frame this, but recent events have got me wondering where exactly Framework, as a company, stands with regards to human rights and equality. If I understand correctly (and please do correct me if I am wrong), it seems like Framework has started sponsoring Hyprland: So I presume this is fact: Framework, as a company, has decided to sponsor a Wayland compositor who is well known to be led as a rather “toxic and hateful community”. Separately, but on the ...

Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I’m disappointed in framework’s answer so far

  • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    21 days ago

    I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.

    Either that or a pair of opinions you hold conflict with each-other.

    Internal consistency is highly valued. As long as all opinions are treated with the same standards, then you have a nice steady base for your views and how you interact with the world.

    • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
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      20 days ago

      Yeah I figured it out from another message: intent matters. Framework appears to intend to support bad people. Tankies support bad causes but appear to think they are good. That moves the question to “what is good”. Obviously white nationalists have a definition of good that I don’t agree with but they think they are doing good or at least claim as such. However I think I generally agree with tankies, broadly, on their definition of good. I just think they are self deluded into believing that the world simply isn’t as simple and awful as it appears to be. That having been said, my reference point for tankies is a few memes, so it may be that there’s depths of evil there that I’m not aware of. However what I’ve seen is that they seem to be pro workers rights, anti capitalist power, etc…all of which I broadly agree with.

      • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        20 days ago

        Framework appears to intend to support bad people.

        Framework intends to support open source projects. That has been their goal. Ascribing a different intent to it is just factually incorrect at best.

        • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
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          20 days ago

          If you tell me “I will use some of any money you give me to fund terrorism” and I choose to give you money anyway, I am deliberately funding terrorism.

          Framework is deliberately funding white nationalists. They may not have been before yesterday, but now they’ve been told and now they’ve been told that’s what they’re doing.