We all hate google and youtube, but overall as a community we’re all simultaneously lukewarm and non-committal about pushing towards using an alternative. I admittedly cling to invidious frontends for dear life.

It seems like whenever somebody asks for an alternative to youtube, they’re offered Odysee and Peertube, but inevitably many others chime in about the shortcomings of both of those platforms.

Can we as a community come to a consensus as to which of these platforms should be pushed forward?

I don’t even think it needs to be a binary choice. Obviously youtube cannot be immediately replaced for it’s archival of educational and tutorial videos, but we can at least push newcomers towards using invidious frontends for those instances.

Maybe Odysee is better for some type of content over Peertube. Let’s discuss which platform works best for what and try to be more active about sharing and promoting them not just to viewers but potential creators as well.

If you go to share a youtube link, try to see if that video exists on an alternate platform first and share that link instead. I think that’s a good first step towards getting away from youtube in the privacy community.

But youtube alternatives are still very much on the fringe and I’m hoping this post will at least inspire some discussion about changing that.

  • Loaf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    24·
    6 hours ago

    It’s kind of wild to me that the alternatives to YT aren’t… better. I mean, it’s not as if YT is brand new.

    The PeerTube iOS app is just a mess. And I’m not sure, but I think the Odysee app hasn’t been updated since the Second World War.

    Holy crap, my entire response sounds like a whiny kid. Maybe instead of me complaining, I should throw up a PT instance and do something meaningful.

    • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
      20·
      6 hours ago

      I mean I did throw up a PT instance and publish my videos exclusively on it, and I’m getting decent views if the topic is interesting and I promote it on hacker news, I’m getting several thousands of views. But that does not fix the PeerTube mobile app, nor the fact that finding content is practically impossible and the subscribe mechanism constantly randomly stops working, there is no app for my TV (like SmartTube) etc.

      I’m all in with PeerTube as a creator, but as a user it’s a terrible experience.

      • brownmustardminion@lemmy.mlOP
        4·
        5 hours ago

        Do you mind sharing your channel? EDIT: Nvm found it. Added the new hyprland video to my watch list.

        And can I ask how you find other interesting channels?

        I’m sure you weighed the pros and cons of Peertube vs Odysee. What made you choose peertube?

        • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
          6·
          4 hours ago

          Oh and finding new content is kind of impossible, I wish PeerTube was set up more like Lemmy with communities which you subsribe to instead of channels people need to follow explicitly.

        • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
          4·
          4 hours ago

          I can’t run my own Odysee instance to be independent of third parties which might moderate away my content if they don’t like it. My content my rules.

      • Loaf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        6 hours ago

        I’m honestly not sure why PeerTube isn’t bigger than it is, aside from a few things.

        I would love to have PT as a nice, open competitor to YouTube, like Mastodon is to X and Bluesky (I know Mastodon is much smaller, but you get my meaning). I’d love to see, say, bands throwing their music videos there.

        If nothing else, having people yoink YT content and chuck it onto PT. I know they probably can’t, but still.

    • sobchak@programming.dev
      3·
      4 hours ago

      They may be better than YT was when it was the same age. IIRC, Youtube used to use flashplayer, and most videos were something like 480p.

    • notarobot@lemmy.zip
      9·
      6 hours ago

      Storing and serving 4/8k 60 fps video is extremely expensive. It’s not like twitter where you could run it of a phone if you wanted to.

      • brownmustardminion@lemmy.mlOP
        6·
        5 hours ago

        Fair point. I’m sure many would disagree with me, but for web video anything more than HD is pointless except for very niche content. But even HD streaming at scale is taxing and expensive.

        Airlines make the majority of their money from a small percentage of flyers paying business and 1st class. I think there’s a world where this principal can be applied to something like peertube hosting in some form.

      • Loaf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        6 hours ago

        That’s true, I didn’t even think about that. Having a mastodon instance can be super cheap. But it’s also not usually storing high quality media.