For masculine identifying folks, what were the things you did (or had happen to you) that you feel helped you transition into adulthood and find fulfilling community?

Statistics suggest that a large number of men feel isolated, unvalued by society, and dysfunctional, but it’s not 100%.

  • WinterBear@lemmy.world
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    I don’t know about fully functional, but I think there’s 3 things I would say are key to not being miserable all the time:

    • Be kind. It’s not in everyone’s nature, but the results are so rewarding. Just stop to think, is what I’m doing right now causing someone else pain or discomfort? How could I reverse that? Don’t let your bad day ruin someone else’s.

    • Be purposeful. Find things to strive for. Small goals are fine, and sometimes things take a long time, but don’t lose sight of where you want to be. Dont be manipulative or treat it like a zero sum game either, your success doesn’t need to come at the cost of someone else’s. Winning with your friends is even better than winning alone.

    • Be forgiving. Most importantly to yourself. Failure is not the enemy of success. Self hatred will destroy any chance you have at happiness, many of us are taught at a young age to treat our own failings as horrendous sins that we must mentally self flagellate for. This is the one of the hardest things to overcome, but every step along the way will give your mind a little more room to find peace.

    I found myself in a place where I was terribly miserable, isolated, and regretful. I didn’t know it at the time but it was the gradual application of the above which helped pull me out of that place.

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    Lovely friends, lively work, and having to routinely deal with people who have their shit together even less than me :).

    That, plus philosophy and LSD. Though rarely at the same time

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    Community is something you build yourself into: ecology teaches us that the thriving individuals aren’t the strongest or the fittest, but those who make themselves fundamental for their surrounding. Find what your environment lacks and try to provide it. A community will form naturally around that in no time.
    I came to this conclusion through a series of drug-induced allucinations and therapy sessions applied to what I studied at university.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    Getting into philosophy and ethics. Contemporary Stoicism in particular is very freeing and empowering. Theres this concept in Stoicism (and Buddhism) of “dichotomy of control” where some things can’t be controled like thoughts emerging or you dying but you can control your reaction to all of that.

    Another concept from Stoicism that relates to community is the idea of “festival” which is basically being intentionally mindful of how awesome crowds are - the fact that a diverse group of people gather together for some shared activity or just to hang out is enough for you to enjoy it!

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      The chief task in life is simply this: to identify and separate matters so that I can say clearly to myself which are externals not under my control, and which have to do with the choices I actually control. Where then do I look for good and evil? Not to uncontrollable externals, but within myself to the choices that are my own…

      — Epictetus, Discourses

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    5 hours ago

    masculine is specific, do you mean as earning a muscular body, some people only feel good if they have attractive body.

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      3 hours ago

      I think they just meant cishet men. Unless the language changed again. Its nearly impossible to bring up the concept without having people jumping down your throat about it.

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    I’m not sure what you’re asking about exactly. If it’s the key to happiness you’re after, I’ll let you know once I find it. But when it comes to meaning - and feeling like I’m valued by society - that shift happened for me when I went from being an employee to being self-employed.

    In my old job, building mostly apartment blocks and schools, I never interacted with the end users. Nobody appreciated a job well done, and nobody ever said thank you. The only thing that mattered was how fast you got it done. It wasn’t much different from working on an assembly line.

    These days, people call me when they’ve got a problem with their house and I show up to solve it. They’re usually relieved I’m there, and many are just as glad to have someone to talk to - especially the elderly, who make up about half my customer base. I’ve done everything from recovering lost TV channels to full kitchen remodels, with very few limits on what I can help with. People are almost always incredibly kind and hospitable - nearly everyone offers coffee and snacks, and a few even cook for me.

    On top of that, I get a ton of repeat customers, which tells me they were satisfied with my previous work. Honestly, I can’t imagine a more fulfilling feeling than getting genuine gratitude for what I do.

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    Accept your role as a man.

    Most men are confused about how to live because they’ve been conditioned to believe that men and women are equal in all things.

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    I identify and eliminate things from my life that I feel make it worse, and add things that I feel make it better. People, jobs, activities, anything.

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    “When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

    • C.S. Lewis
  • fodor@lemmy.zip
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    You talk about being fully functional and then about being isolated. Which is it? What are you really asking about?

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      I’m giving men who feel good about their lives an excuse to talk about how and what it looks like. The bit of their lives that they feel good about isn’t terribly important to me.

      So: yes.

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    Might be a controversial take but it’s my experience: psychedelics. Dramatically improved my self and general awareness, feel way more connected to existence and the rest is history.

    The trick is:

    1. Dosage. Keep it low to moderate.
    2. Have a suitable mindset and location
    3. Recognise them as tools to be used and put down once no longer needed.
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    I got a few things that have helped me figure things out.

    1. Nobody has this shit figured out. We’re all just kids with jobs and responsibilities now.

    2. The only people that care about how manly another man is are other men that wanna feel superior to you. It’s okay to want to feel manly if that’s what you want, but don’t do it for someone that probably didn’t like you to begin with. Why work so hard to earn the approval of someone you don’t like?

    3. Men are just as emotional as women and the sooner you realize that the sooner you can start dealing with your emotions in a healthy way.

    4. Don’t try and find people that fit the very specific definition of “friend” that you have in your head. Every friendship and relationship is unique and should be appreciated for what it is instead of what it isn’t.

    5. Failure doesn’t mean that you are a failure. Try and figure out why you failed instead of focusing on the fact that you did fail. You learn a lot more about yourself from your failures than your success.

  • sanity_is_maddening@piefed.social
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    The “Fully Functional” is something that the most level headed adults that I know, men or otherwise, would refute on the spot. I don’t think I know anyone who feels like a fully functional person. Or an adult for that matter. As that is an elusive concept to begin with. Although, that doesn’t mean one can’t find ways to mature.

    I’m 40. And the thing that I’ll say is that kids and younger people have it harder these days. The world is in a state of unprecedented cacophony, in which the previous existential threats that loomed over the previous generations are all stacking up to form a massive sense of unease.

    Whichever adult, men, woman or other, that claims they have it all figured in the face of increasing calamity is lying. Possibly to themselves first.

    The men who feel the way(s) that you mentioned, are not wrong in feeling the way they do. They can only be wrong in how they act in response to it. Because from time to time, we’re all bound to feel like that at one point or another. And unfortunately in some circumstances and contexts that might be more persistent than others.

    The great failure of our time is not that men, young or not, are failing more, but that we are all failing more. Because we are all failing each other. Some more than others, obviously. But even so, we’re failing to reach one another at some point in a growing secluded world.

    You can eat your greens. Go to the gym. Earn income that allows you comfort. Find a partner. And even have a child…

    And still feel all the things that these “men” do.

    The point of maturity is to not make others pay for what burdens you.

    And the only escape out of that isolated space is not the “self-improvement” route that the fraudulent will try to coach others. As that is just maintenance.

    The way out of loneliness is in service of others. Which has always been the the case and will always be.

    Trying to find a way out of loneliness by trying to find a romantic partner to “fix that” is just offloading the burdening responsibility to another person. And regardless of sex or sexual orientation that will always lead to a toxic dependency and a relationship that never ends well.

    I’m a 40 year old dude. I have a home. I get to do what I’m passionate about. I have a partner that I live with and I love her. But if anyone comes knocking for advice, I tell them that if they’re looking for easy answers, they’re looking for lies to comfort them out of what they already know to be true… That life is complicated and none of us really know what we’re doing while we’re roaming this earth.

    But it sure is a whole lot easier when we’re kind to one another. And that is about the only certainty we’re gonna get before we die.

    Everything else is noise.

    • Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world
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      Goddamn, mister. Where do you live so I can come give you a standing ovation?

      That was wonderfully spoken and I appreciate you broadening the view to the whole of the cacophony of the world.