• SSJMarx@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    there must be standards

    Here’s a standard: if you live as a woman you’re a woman.

    and those standards must be either endocrine or genetic or both

    There is absolutely no reason to assert that this must be the case.

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      2 months ago

      Do you really think it’s fair for a full blown man to fight women in the ring just because he identifies as a woman? Women will get very seriously hurt or possibly killed fighting someone assigned male sex at birth. I have no problem letting them do anything that doesn’t hurt others, but this is a case where I think we need to be more sensible.

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        2 months ago

        Boxing has weight classes. As do most other martial arts.

        The problem is not a 50kg men fighting a 70kg women in terms of injuries and power imbalance. And in that set up the women most likely wins. The problem is the typical situation of a 80-100 kg men smacking down on a 50-60kg women. And that is the image the demagogues try to conjure.

        So if your full blown men is a 60kg feather to be able to compete against another 60kg women, the whole trope falls apart.

        • realitista@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          A man with the same body weight as a woman would still inherently have more upper body strength and higher ability to gain it as that’s just how men are built vs women. It’s still not a fair way of setting intersex classes.