Hi! Just wanting to migrate from big tech and going BuyfromEU. I am trying out Posteo, which does not have an app only web interface. Since I can’t stay logged in on the web I’m using Apple Mail app as a gateway to simplify usage. To my question, is this totally counter productive to my privacy, pro-eu stance? Will apple mail collect my posteo data through the posteo now instead? Previously using outlook.

Thanks in advance!

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    Apple Mail fails to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL. We do not control it, anti-libre software.

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    A priori, the Apple Mail app is not sending data about your emails back to Apple. Your downloaded emails are just stored on your phone and not on Apple servers. There are some things to be aware of though:

    If you have “Protect Mail Activity” enabled, then any remote content loaded from your emails (eg. images) are fetched through Apple servers. This is to protect your IP address from those remote servers. Apple claims that they do not learn anything about the remote content or your interaction with the email since the content is loaded through two proxy servers which hide the source and destination from any one server. If you still don’t trust Apple to load the remote content in your emails for you then you should disable this feature, and your phone will load the images in your emails directly (revealing your IP to the sender of the email). You can disable loading of remote content completely in the same menu by turning on the “Block All Remote Content” option, and now you won’t load any images linked from emails at all.

    Next, if you have iCloud backup enabled then your phone backup will be stored in iCloud, and this will contain all of the email data stored on your phone. By default iCloud backups are not end-to-end encrypted, so if the Apple cloud was breached, or if your account is breached, then those backups could reveal all data stored on your phone. To mitigate this, you should enable Advanced Data protection, which then enables end-to-end encryption for the other pieces of data stored in iCloud, including your backups.

    Edit: please reply instead of downvoting. If there is something wrong or misleading in this comment then it benefits everyone to know what that is.

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    I’d say that using a Mac/iPhone is totally counterproductive for your pro-EU stance.

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      Given the cost of replacing one’s phone or computer, being pro-EU in terms of new purchases is far better than doing nothing at all.

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        No one said do nothing. Apple Mail makes escaping, now or later, harder.

        Apple Mail fails to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL. We do not control it, anti-libre software.

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      It depends how technical a user is, whether it’s a realistic goal to move away completely from both Apple and Android smartphones. And if choosing between those two, I would choose Apple as the lesser evil.

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        I disagree. Even for the average user being relegated to the Apple ecosystem is a worse situation than being in Google’s one where you at least have a far broader choice of apps to use as an alternative to the stock ones.

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          Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but to me it’s a no-brainer to choose between the company that sells hardware and the company that sells users to advertisers.

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            Apple’s business includes advertisement too though. I can agree that it is not Google, but not that it is only a hardware seller.

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              Custom ROMs are obviously the best choice but we’re talking specifically about what advice to give to a non-technical user who isn’t going to unlock their bootloader and flash a custom ROM, nor are they going to be able to use a linux phone or some other alternative that requires some technical know-how.

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                You can do that for them, you can show them. Apple want us to feel alone but we are not. Want to really fix privacy? Make in-person groups. Apple wants us alone. It helps Apple and Google takeover.

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                Yeah, fair. Still, Graphene was very easy to install and I think that my mom would’ve been able to use the web installer.