Found this notification this morning on my pixel 6.
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Google warning you about Mozilla is just peak fucking irony
God damn why’s the world so shit
Even if this isn’t entirely true, you know Google wouldn’t pass up the opportunity to reduce Firefox market share to scare everyone back to Chrome.
Like chrome does something different?
Yes, chrome is doing something different. It is even worse!
No but where are you going to go. The options are shrinking.
Fennec on mobile. LibreWolf on desktop.
There isn’t to much to reduce. I don’t think Google is scared or afraid by Firefox, like at all.
“Quick! Jump to chrome instead!” - Google spokesperson
Vivaldi is where it’s at
Nope. That’s still chromium based and further serves Google’s monopoly on the web platform.
That said I’m open to better alternatives. I’m working hard to protect myself.
Fennec. Ironfox. Mullvad. Tor.
No, it’s really not. Fuck chromium of all flavors.
The DDG app shows no 3rd party tracking attempts made by Firefox at all… So far…
Yeah. People can avoid all this nonsense by installing one simple app… Duck duck go browser.
You don’t have to use the browser. It just sits in the background quietly blocking tracking requests from other apps.
It’s absolutely horrifying on first use to see how egregious tracking is.
That’s not how it works. Apps cannot access the traffic of other apps, let alone decrypt it. There is no way DDG Browser does what you claim it does. They do not even claim that themselves.
EDIT: Unless, of course, it works as a VPN, which apparently it does.
It does in fact do what they claim it does, by functioning as a VPN.
You should probably try the app first before talking out of your ass.
Crazy that I’ve been downvoted for offering factual help, while the comment which is provably incorrect is up voted
I did have the browser app a few months ago, but didn’t see any such functionality. Of course, by working as a VPN that works.
It’s in the Settings, under “App Tracking Protection”.
I don’t even use the browser part of the app.
Firefox engines have telemetry since old ages. Do you know what even crazier ??? even other firefox browser like fennec has Mozilla telemetry.
PSA : disable it with Blocker (ROOT) for more privacyFor a novice, what exactly is Blocker (ROOT)? Is it an app, a setting, or a configuration?
Its app that you can downloaded in F-Droid, basically it’s a app that can control other app components. But before that you must Root/Unlock bootloader
Thanks very much for the info!
That’s a regular notification, which would happen for any application whose data policy is changed on the Play Store page. These policy are as declared by the app publisher. This would be the same for any application that didn’t check that “sharing data with third party” box earlier, then checked it later on.
I don’t get what your comment is getting at. I don’t view this post as saying anything special or unique about the notification. I see it as a warning that Firefox is now doing this.
The legal definition of “sell” has changed in several major markets, and that’s (supposedly) why Firefox has recently changed their terms. The word “sell” is now ostensibly broad enough to include “give to anybody for any reason”, including if you use Firefox for any reason where you would legitimately want and need Firefox to give (“sell”) your data - for example if you use it for: literally any shopping or even just browsing store pages; any interactive (real world) maps where you may want to use your location; any searches where you want local businesses to be listed; any search engine that may want to use your location to aid in results; etc. etc. etc.
Any legitimate exchange of data can now be construed as “selling” because of the new legal definitions, regardless of if anyone is actually selling anything.
It’s very possible that nothing has changed - that Firefox hasn’t started selling user data, they’re just updating their terms (and this app listing) to reflect the changes in the legal definitions of “sell”.
The whole “legal definitions are why we changed” is definitely what they’re rolling with, but I don’t think a lot of what you said is correct. Websites selling data is not the same as firefox selling data. If a site sells your data while you’re using firefox, that is in no way shape or form involved with firefox. That’s also not what they are claiming. They are strictly talking about the data that firefox directly collects and distributes. It would include search results if you searched via the address bar, I suppose. They have sold data for a while, but it’s anonymized (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy).
Firefox is free to use, but it costs a lot of money to develop. They need money, nobody here is denying that. Many users on this platform have tried to avoid any form of data collection as much as possible (myself included) so they would rather pay to fund it (though many don’t). However, most people would rather pay for the service with ads and data collection. Because to them, it’s basically free. Most users would never even consider moving to Firefox if it was paid. They could offer two options, one paid and one “free”, but they haven’t done that yet and it’s not clear if they plan to.
Most importantly, it’s really about being transparent. If they need money, they shouldn’t try to hide the fact they are selling anonymized data by saying “We never sell you data” or to be like “oh no, we are doing it because of legal definitions” when in reality they are selling data. I get it’s a PR movement, but most of the people intentionally using Firefox are tech savvy people wanting to get away from Google’s big brother approach. I get people defending Firefox, and I also get people hating on Mozilla, but we should also be clear about the reality. Firefox is, and has been selling your data (in some form), but now the laws are changing to make it more clear that what they’re doing is in fact selling data.
Which parts do you disagree with? I’m not talking about websites selling your data after you access them through Firefox, I’m saying that now - with new definitions of “sale”/“sell” - that Firefox giving anybody any data for almost any reason can be legally construed as “selling”. This isn’t just the case for Firefox, it’s the case for literally any web browser, and anything that can access the internet for any reason.
Yes, I thought about including the fact that Firefox does engage in ad-based revenue, and I suppose I should’ve, but Firefox is pretty upfront about this and allows users to opt out of targeted advertising - and this has been the case since long before this past week or two. These ads only appear on the “new tab” page, and only if you consent to seeing them. Anybody who’s dropping Firefox for this recent controversy seens to be missing that. It’s very possible (and personally I think it’s likely) that nothing at all has changed from within Firefox.
This comment reads differently to me than the one of yours I replied to. When you said:
for example if you use it for: literally any shopping or even just browsing store pages That read to me like you were talking about the store itself, and not firefox.
Regardless, I agree with what you’ve just said more. My argument is moreso that Firefox has been selling data (so nothing really has changed with them), but now they’re being required to state that they’re selling data. I get that Mozilla doesn’t want to be lumped in with “selling data” groups, because it can be done in very extremely different manners with varying levels of invasion on privacy. But I also think they should have been more up front about where they get some of their revenue, and not tried to be like “We never sell your data” while literally having sponsored suggestions (both on the new tab page, and website suggestions in the address bar).
As for what the current drama impacts on this? Nothing, really. Other than they are being required to disclose that they sell data, and their getting backlash because they’ve been trying to pretend they don’t. Now that they’re lumped in with the “data selling” corporations in peoples minds (even though they’re very different than google), who knows if that will give them the extra room to be a bit more invasive with their data collection. They’ve already crossed the largest PR hurdle, so the future incremental changes would be much easier. There’s no guarantee, but with traditional enshitification, it wouldn’t surprise me.
Fanboys of Firefox: “DUHB DUHB USE FIREFOX CUZ IT NOT CHROME DUHB DUHB!”
Genuine question to see if the downvotes are justified or not : are you implying Chrome is a good browser and if so, why?
The downvotes are idiotic fanboys who faithfully clutch Firefox like rosary beads because it isn’t chrome.
Why the fuck would anyone imply that I think Chrome is any better? It only tells me they’re fucking morons.
An alternative explanation is that the trolling style of your post is attracting downvotes.
I’m going to assume you’re one of the downvoters and anyone else in this chain. I’m going to now auto-block. Bye.
Take your meds, you’re spiraling
Any good browser suggestion??
Vivaldi
That’s chromium based. Having more firefox based browsers helps take away the dominate control Google has on browsers.
TIL. I only use it on mobile, got a good replacement that’s data privacy-oriented?
lol, honestly, just Firefox. I know there’s a lot of hubbub about Mozilla and Firefox with them changing their ToS, but you can disable all sponsored items, and anonymous. And even though they changed their ToS, I don’t think they’ve changed anything. They’ve sold anonymized data for a while. People here don’t seem to like data selling of any kind, but Firefox only collects anonymized data, and it’s a free service.
The only two real options will be Chrome and Chromium based, and Firefox and Firefox based. For Firefox based that isn’t firefox, you’ve got:
- Librewolf
- Mullvad
- Zen
- Floorp
If you google for other browsers, and find one you haven’t heard of, there’s a 99% chance it’s Chromium based.
How is Mullvad Browser? I know it’s based on Firefox but wouldn’t imagine they would tolerate this.
Fine. I preferred Fennec over the two for quality of life and ease of use balanced with privacy.
use ironfox or fennec
