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Interesting counterpoint to the stuff we sometimes talk about here. It’s more for public chat rooms though. MLS (RFC 9240) still interests me and I’ve been wanting to try coding it.

  • QuazarOmega@lemy.lol
    12·
    22 hours ago

    This is just one of the comments on the Revolt E2EE issue, I guess the author felt so proud of their opinion to make it into a blog post, I wouldn’t say anything if they at least revisited the whole discussion and tried to make a reasonable summary.
    The argument provided in the article against features is simply “too hard to develop, too hard to maintain, nobody cares enough”.
    If nobody cared, nobody would go on Matrix, if everything that was hard to develop were just dropped before even trying, we would have stopped at the hello world (not implying I’m not a lazy developer, but I surely don’t want to imply that there aren’t brilliant people out there who can undertake scarily big tasks).
    Giving another feature as a sort of replacement: federated identities, is not a replacement at all, it’s a completely different scope. I just can’t empathise with the point that they try to make

    • felsiq@lemmy.zip
      4·
      19 hours ago

      I do think their point about not using E2EE enabling better moderation is worth considering, because it’s absolutely true that the server being unable to filter malicious content makes moderation harder. Still, imo any decent chat client should support it as an option, because if I’m talking to friends I don’t want any servers having access for any reason. Large guilds for public info, like the KDE matrix for example, shouldn’t be E2E encrypted for this exact reason (iirc it’s not, because matrix allows the choice and KDE has chosen correctly). Lack of encryption doesn’t mean all moderation issues are solved, though, cuz that same unencrypted KDE matrix had a pretty major problem with CSAM being spammed a while back.

      So IMO the ability to disable E2EE is valuable for a discord replacement, but the author’s idea that E2EE shouldn’t be implemented… does not follow.

  • Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    25·
    22 hours ago

    Downvoter’s did not read the article they just saw “don’t federate” and downvote lol.

    • Geodad@lemmy.world
      111·
      22 hours ago

      I downvoted because it’s anti E2EE. By all means, keep your guild server defederated, but protect the privacy of your guild members.