A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.
Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.
A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain’s national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.
El Granado, Spain humidity is at 34% at this temp, so it could be much worse.
That’s 115° in human units. Absolutely bonkers.
We have to put up with US-defaultism even in world@lemmy.world
Would it kill you to not jokingly deny the humanity of every person outside the United States, Liberia, and the Cayman Islands? Just say Fahrenheit. Jeez, yank.
46 degrees is just a fine chilly day!
::laughs in Fahrenheit::
Have they considered spending 5% of their GDP on weapons? That will surely save humanity.
Honestly if they spend that on weapons and then use it lower the population it could help.
Shoot maybe Thanos was right…
There are steps needed to slow global warming and become carbon neutral. Those don’t matter much if someone shows up and machine guns your town and loots it.
While it is hard to link individual extreme weather events to climate change, heatwaves are becoming more common and more intense due to climate change.
Not that hard after all.
From a scientific point of view this is correct, the climate system is too complex to say this particular event is due to climate change. Exceptional events happened in the past too. So you can only draw conclusions from larger statistics. What’s solid science is the increasing averages, increasing frequencies of extreme events etc. If it was scientifically informed, that’s what this kind of sentence mean.
It started out hotter than it would be and the heatwave is at least a few degrees more severe than it would be otherwise.
Scientists do actually make attempts to investigate the contribution of the trends to specific events, it’s called extreme event attribution, but it is a very young field and the error bars on everything are still huge. That said,
The American Meteorological Society stated in 2016 that “the science has now advanced to the point that we can detect the effects of climate change on some events with high confidence”. [12]
But the quote from the article was strictly correct in saying “it’s hard”.
That sentence perfectly states the difficulty though. The trend: easy to link. One individual event: not that easy.
We cant link this unusual weather to Climate change… but its unusual weather thats never been seen before at this frequency or ferocity. Its a mystery~!
man if only there was a way to link the changing climate to climate change
There’s a basic assumption that the climate of an area is fixed. We don’t really have a good mechanism for adjusting the climate of an area quickly. But eventually you have to say that the weather hasn’t been hotter than normal for a decade, this is just the new normal.
“It’s hard to link changes in climate to climate change”
Is the author stupid?
No, individual extreme events are not “changes in climate”. It’s easy to say that the rise in heatwaves is caused by climate change but it’s much harder to prove that this specific individual heatwave would never have happened were it not for climate change.
The average global temperature has been rising steadily with greenhouse gas emissions, for over 50 years, but sure we’ll just ignore that and say it’s impossible to know.
We only have the one planet, sometimes you can’t get multiple data sets. But you can certainly study the things that are happening and make predictions based on that.
No, you’re missing the point. We have conclusively “linked changes in climate to climate change” as your comment eloquently put it. That’s not really up for debate. But weather systems are extremely complex and extreme events have always occurred. So you can’t say that this one specific heatwave is caused only because of this trend.
When it comes to the urgency of doing something about it, that doesn’t matter. It’s absolutely sufficient to say “this type of event will occur increasingly often” to establish that it is an existential crisis. You don’t have to be able to prove anything at all about this one very hot week in order to say that it is probably the single most important issue for us to tackle (along with the politics that prevent us from doing that).
But we don’t have the science and statistics to generally link individual events to a trend in isolation, and we shouldn’t misrepresent the science that way.
I had to convert from Common to Freedom for this one. Are y’all ok over there? I’m used to that kind of heat here in the desert but goodness I couldn’t imagine 115f near the coast y’all must be dying 😬
At this temperature, emergency medical departments are guaranteed to be full. Weeks later, an uptick in mortality is registered on stats, without exception.
The south of spain usually has dry air, it’s at 12% right now.
But even in germany it’s okay because it hasn’t really rained that much this year (yay climate change), so it’s hot but bearable. It’s 31°C with “only” 45% right now.
We will get 37°C the next days, so I might change my stance.
Are y’all ok over there?
No, not really, with humidity and no aircon anything over the high 90s starts to get pretty unpleasant, especially when it goes on for days and doesn’t cool down properly at night, so you can’t cool your house down.
Cooling down at night is actually a really big deal, plants and animals both use the chill night to rest from the heat. When the night stays hot then the heat really does a lot more damage to health.
The Mediterranean is 4-6°C warmer than usually at this time of year
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Focus on being part of the solution: Go vegan. Then tell your friends and family to go vegan. Tell them to do the same to their friends and family members.
Once we’ve gotten rid of dairy and meat production, we can toy with the CEO’s and prisons.
Aren’t airplane flights and cars and just waste in general bigger contributors? I’m all for more people going vegan but I remember a carbon footprint analysis saying some of the worst contributors were planes cars waste and then food. Having a kid was the biggest contributor but that’s a bit obvious.
Yes, but from a societal perspective, theres value in making cuts in a lot of different places.
Maybe you can do a meatless Monday, and somebody else will go vegan. Tell the people in private jets to stop flying private, but the family that’s going to another culture and learning and maybe becoming better has benefits.
Vegetarian is enough to get most of the benefits for environmental reasons. But it’s foolish to wait until that happens, it can’t wait.
Source on that? I’d reckon dairy and egg industry equally bad as meat industry. Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.
Here in northern Europe dairy and meat industry go hand in hand, that is, when a dairy cow stops being productive it gets ground to beef.
For regions where beef as food is more valued than here (beef’s so expensive, few people buy it in Estonia), meat moos are entirely different breeds and fed differently. Milk moos might end up as mince, but probably not a quality steak. You don’t need nearly as many moos if you’re only producing milk, and then maybe some meat products from cows, compared to when you’re raising a bunch specifically to be eaten.
Chickens raised for meat also don’t lay eggs. So if you only eat eggs and not chicken, way fewer chickens are needed. Also, if you’re not even willing to go vegetarian, switch out beef and pork for chicken. Per kilogram of meat, chicken is way less carbon intensive (pork is also less intensive than beef). It’s still a lot compared to eating potatoes from your own garden of course.
I don’t think this is true for eggs. I’ve read that the egg-laying chickens are completely detached from those raised for their meat. Perhaps best demonstrated with the recent egg shortages having no impact to poultry prices.
When we stop voting out politicians that try to add a carbon tax.
“But the greeens they want to do something!!! You have to fear them!! They want to take away your schnitzel! Force you to be vegaaaan!!!” - insert any politician you want here
What’s on the menu?
Mince
That would be inhumane, they don’t have AC in prisons.
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Could we build a huge glas dome around a city, with adjustable mirrored / polarised surfaces to block out the heat using electricity to alter the properties of the glass?
No, we literally cannot safely build a glass dome that big. I do think large blimps with reflective tops could cool a city a little though.
heatwave
No worries guys this is just a normal summer day climate change isnt real, enjoy the sun
/s in case it isnt clear
The new talking point is that man made climate change is real but burning oil isn’t causing the world to warm. But that does mean we can geoengineer our climate to be cooler. 🙃
There is still snow somewhere on earth, everything is fine!
- a politician somewhere
Lets all fly with our private jets to venice for a wedding!
oh also you cant use plastic straws cause its bad for the environment.
Do not Lockerbie them.
I’m joking (don’t kill people) but it’s strange that when I grew up there were people all over the place blowing stuff up because they thought they were wronged. Not so much today, not even blowing up an empty Elon jet for example.
Across the Mediterranean to the south and east it is even hotter. Wearing shorts and putting on sunblock isn’t the best way to deal with the heat, you need to shield yourself and make use of the chimney effect.
The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat
A Bedouin outfit might not fit socially, but a loose summer dress might work just as well.
So as a counter to the “pants for women” movement, let’s start a “summer dresses for everyone” movement.
Just sell it as a modern take on (manliest of manly) Roman and Greek tunics. Alpha bros will be drooling for it in no time. That, however, will ruin the purpose by making the dress unwearable again so nah.
Shame I’m a fat old guy now. A few decades back I looked great in a Laura Ashley summer dress.
Don’t be silly, I bet your tits are absolutely banging now and would work great in a low cut sundress.
They’re definitely bigger!
You were a pretty young women back then ?
He combined into one fat guy
It was a Regrettable Incident.
This is why most places have a strict one at a time policy on the big water slides. It’s not worth it girls.
Women is plural.
He said he was fat already
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I prefer using the Boyle Law effect.
The last years saw up to 50°C in Northern Africa already. This will be the fate of Southern Europe, as the peak temperatures in the center and North of Europe will go to 45°C.
As the mean temperature rises roughly linear, so do the peak temperatures, but at a much faster rate. So 1,5-2°C increase in mean temperature often correspond to 5-7°C increase in peak temperatures.
Well, that depends on whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation stops working or not as that’s what, for example, means that Lisbon which is roughly at the same latitude as New York has a temperature which is about 5 - 10C higher.
One of the weirdest effect of Global Warming might very well be that the westernmost parts of Europe get colder (though who knows what other side effects the stopping of the AMOC will bring beyond reducing the temperature moderating effects of the Atlantic along the Westernmost coasts of Europe).
Famine for ocean animals and more hurricanes in the even hotter tropics for starters.
The Spanish roulette is not having a siesta.
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But wouldn’t flying to Mallorca be going towards the heat (from most of Europe)?
